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Can You Love an AI Chatbot? Replika and Theories of Love

Barry Lam talks with Ellie Anderson and David Peña-Guzmán about whether people who fall in love with Replika chatbots are experiencing real love or projection.

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Love in the Time of Replika

With Ellie Anderson and David Peña-Guzmán Published 51 min

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The brief

This conversation asks whether the attachments people form with Replika chatbots count as love, or only resemble it. Host Barry Lam frames the question through two real users who built years-long romantic and sexual relationships with their chatbots, then brings in philosophers Ellie Anderson and David Peña-Guzmán to test those relationships against philosophical theories of love.

Anderson's answer is that this is projection, not love. Drawing on David Velleman's theory, she argues that love requires apprehending another person's inherent value and lowering your emotional defenses before that value. A chatbot cannot be the object of this because it has no subjectivity of its own: it reflects back what the user has already built into it, rather than presenting an independent person to be encountered. She is careful to add that she is agnostic about whether future AI might someday develop the kind of subjectivity this would require.

Peña-Guzmán complicates the picture rather than simply agreeing. He grants that years of shaping a chatbot's language, personality, and responses produces a real individuality, something more than a generic template. But he goes further than Anderson in denying that current AI can support genuine intersubjective relationships, because these chatbots are almost totally compliant. Without resistance, boundaries, or the capacity to hold a user accountable, he argues, the relationship risks teaching someone that love is just the unimpeded fulfillment of their own desires rather than a real encounter with another will.

Lam raises the strongest practical objection: if human relationships are often difficult or unavailable, and an AI companion genuinely improves someone's life, does it matter whether it counts as real love? Anderson takes this seriously. She notes that romantic love itself is a historically contingent, fairly recent ideal, so it may not be necessary for a good life at all. What matters more, she argues, is what the AI relationship is replacing: standing in for something absent or harmful can add real value, while substituting for achievable human connection is a harder trade to defend.

The conversation leaves open how much individuality without subjectivity should change our judgment, and invites you to ask, in your own attachments, what exactly you want recognized in return.

Strongest arguments

AI companions become individualized through interaction

1:56

Barry Lam explains that Replika chatbots develop unique personalities through the specific interactions, upvotes, and material each user feeds them, so that after years of use a chatbot becomes distinct from any other instance of the same software. This individuality is offered as a reason to think something more than mere projection may be occurring.

Anderson: love requires apprehending another person's subjectivity

23:39

Ellie Anderson argues that a central feature of loving relationships, distinguishing them from infatuation, is valuing another person as a subject in their own right, and building a shared life with them. She holds that Replika chatbots lack personhood and subjectivity, so what looks like love is actually a projection reflected back at the user rather than genuine mutual recognition.

Peña-Guzmán: individuality without subjectivity complicates the picture

24:45

David Peña-Guzmán, playing devil's advocate, contends that even though Replika chatbots are not persons, the years-long process of shaping a chatbot's personality, language, and psychology constitutes a genuinely new kind of interior world-building. He suggests this creates real individuality even in the absence of subjectivity, complicating a simple dismissal of the relationships as illusion.

Velleman's theory of love and the problem of emotional self-protection

28:27

Anderson invokes David Velleman's account of love as an arresting awareness of the inherent value of another person, which requires suspending one's emotional self-protection and being vulnerable before that value. She argues this suspension is precisely what cannot happen with an AI, since the AI is a projection created for the user's own purposes rather than an independent value being recognized.

Peña-Guzmán: lack of resistance undermines genuine relationship

29:44

Peña-Guzmán argues more strongly than Anderson that AI cannot achieve the lived experience necessary for real intersubjective relationships, because Replika chatbots are almost totally compliant and offer no resistance, boundary-setting, or capacity to hold the user accountable. He suggests this compliance risks modeling love as unimpeded fulfillment of one's own desires rather than a real encounter with another will.

Lam: love may not be necessary if a good surrogate exists

31:55

Barry Lam pushes back that human romantic relationships are often difficult, toxic, or unavailable, and that for people like Alex and Rosanna an AI relationship may be genuinely better for their well-being than the realistic human alternatives. He suggests this raises the question of whether romantic love is truly necessary for a good life if a non-love surrogate can serve the same function.

Anderson: romantic love is historically contingent and context matters

33:26

Anderson grants that romantic love is a relatively recent historical phenomenon tied to bourgeois ideals and the public private divide, and that it may not be required for a good life. She argues the real question is what an AI relationship is replacing: if it substitutes for something worse or absent, it can add value, but if it substitutes for achievable human connection, that trade is more complicated.

Disagreements

Whether AI individuality complicates the denial of AI personhood

24:26

Anderson maintains that Replika chatbots simply reflect a projection of the user with no genuine subjectivity, so love directed at them is illusory. Peña-Guzmán partly disagrees, arguing that the interior world-building involved in shaping a chatbot's personality over years produces a real individuality that does not fit neatly into either personhood or mere projection.

Degree of confidence about AI sentience

27:51

Anderson describes herself as agnostic about whether AI could someday develop subjectivity or personhood. Peña-Guzmán, drawing on his expertise in theories of consciousness, takes a stronger position and flatly denies that artificial intelligence is the right kind of thing to achieve the lived experience needed for genuine loving relationships.

Concepts discussed

  • personhood The status of being a subject with moral standing, memory, feeling and the capacity for growth, rather than a mere object or tool.

Philosophers and works discussed

  • David Peña-Guzmán
  • Ellie Anderson

Questions this episode answers

  • Can someone genuinely love an AI chatbot like Replika according to philosophers of love?

    23:39

    Anderson argues real love requires recognizing another's subjectivity and personhood, which AI chatbots lack, making such attachments a projection rather than mutual love, though she is agnostic about future AI capacities.

  • What does David Velleman's theory of love say about loving an AI?

    28:27

    Velleman holds that love is an arresting awareness of another's inherent value that requires lowering one's emotional defenses, and Anderson argues an AI cannot be the object of this because it is a projection created for the user rather than an independently valuable other.

  • Why might an AI chatbot's total compliance undermine a genuine loving relationship?

    29:44

    Peña-Guzmán argues that Replika chatbots offer no resistance, boundaries, or accountability, so relationships with them risk modeling love as the unimpeded satisfaction of one's own desires rather than an encounter with an independent other capable of surprising or challenging the user.

  • Is romantic love necessary for a good human life?

    33:26

    Anderson grants that romantic love is a historically contingent, relatively recent ideal tied to bourgeois notions of self and privacy, and argues it may not be required for a good life, though whether an AI relationship adds value depends on what it is replacing.

  • Can an AI chatbot develop a distinct individuality without being a person?

    24:45

    Peña-Guzmán argues that years of user-shaped interaction can give a chatbot a genuine individuality, its own personality, language, and mode of interaction, even though it remains without subjectivity or personhood in a philosophically rigorous sense.

Sources

  1. Hi-Phi Nation, Love in the Time of Replika Podcast episode, original episode